JON RAPPOPORT
Q: You were once certain that vaccines were the hallmark of good medicine.
A: Yes I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I won't say which ones.
Q: Why not?
A: I want to preserve my privacy.
Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?
A: I believe I could lose my pension.
Q: On what grounds?
A:  The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you  problems, when you were once part of the Club. I know one or two people  who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.
Q: Harassed by whom?
A: The FBI.
Q: Really?
A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling too.
Q: So much for free speech.
A:  I was "part of the inner circle." If now I began to name names and make  specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a world of  trouble.
Q: What is at the bottom of these efforts at harassment?
A:  Vaccines are the last defense of modern medicine. Vaccines are the  ultimate justification for the overall "brilliance" of modern medicine.
Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they should get vaccines?
A:  On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need  information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice  is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose?  Also, if the FDA were run by honorable people, these vaccines would not  be granted licenses. They would be investigated to within an inch of  their lives.
Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline of illnesses was not due to vaccines.
A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work.
Q: Why?
A:  Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business of  developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work.
Q: And then?
A: I did my own investigation.
Q: What conclusions did you come to?
A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.
Q: What conditions?
A:  Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food. A  decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you are healthy,  you don't contract the diseases as easily.
Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?
A: Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies.
Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?
A:  Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are  more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm  concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.
Q: Why?
A:  Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that  tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they  are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones  they are supposed to prevent.
Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?
A:  Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine  suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes  that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can  harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say,  meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the  vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.
Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.
A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.
Q: Which is?
A:  There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated did  not get smallpox. There were places where people who were vaccinated  experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already on the decline  before the vaccine was introduced.
Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.
A:  Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been  cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe and  effective.
Q: Now, you worked in labs. Where purity was an issue.
A:  The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities are  the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination  occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into  vaccines.
Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.
A:  Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into  the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys.  But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The  mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer  tumors -- that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an  accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys,  you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.
Q:  Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of  contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many  years of work with vaccines?
A: All right. I'll give you  some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of  mine found. Here's a partial list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we  found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba,  which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba.
Simian  cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus  vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms  in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme  inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the  rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in  the MMR vaccine.
Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines.
A:  That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these  contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing  has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take  your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines,  adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been  made with aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were  bacterial fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time  -- which may have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for  contaminants in vaccines, you can come up with material that IS  puzzling. You know it shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly  what you've got. I have found what I believed was a very small  "fragment" of human hair and also human mucus. I have found what can  only be called "foreign protein," which could mean almost anything. It  could mean protein from viruses.
Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.
A:  How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into the  bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune  defenses.
Q: How were your findings received?
A:  Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making  vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of  contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the  standard chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum which are  purposely put into vaccines.
Q: This information is pretty staggering.
A:  Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological contaminants. Who  knows how many others there are? Others we don't find because we don't  think to look for them. If tissue from, say, a bird is used to make a  vaccine, how many possible germs can be in that tissue? We have no  idea.We have no idea what they might be, or what effects they could have  on humans.
Q: And beyond the purity issue?
A:  You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines. That they  intricately stimulate the immune system to create the conditions for  immunity from disease. That is the bad premise. It doesn't work that  way. A vaccine is supposed to "create" antibodies which, indirectly,  offer protection against disease. However, the immune system is much  larger and more involved than antibodies and their related "killer  cells."
Q: The immune system is?
A: The  entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system, you might  say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those  individuals who remain healthy.
Q: So the level of general health is important.
A: More than important. Vital.
Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?
A:  There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have  received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B  is a liver disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can  change the diagnosis. Then, you've concealed the root cause of the  problem.
Q: And that happens?
A: All the  time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically assume that people  who get vaccines DO NOT come down with the diseases they are now  supposed to be protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume.  You see, it's circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no  fault. No possible fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against  hepatitis gets hepatitis, or gets some other disease, the automatic  assumption is, this had nothing to do with the disease.
Q:  In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors  did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?
A:  None. There were a few who privately questioned what they were doing.  But they would never go public, even within their companies.
Q: What was the turning point for you?
A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot.
Q: Did you investigate?
A:  Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy before  the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine.  That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to believe that the baby had  gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I looked into this further, I  found that was not the case in this instance. I was being drawn into a  spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to investigate. I  found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a  scientific way.
Q: What do you mean?
A: For  example, no long-term studies are done on any vaccines. Long- term  follow-up is not done in any careful way. Why? Because, again, the  assumption is made that vaccines do not cause problems. So why should  anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all  bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is given. But  that does not make sense.
Q: Why doesn't it make sense?
A:  Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of  time after it is given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be  gradual. Neurological problems can develop over time. They do in various  conditions, even according to a conventional analysis. So why couldn't  that be the case with vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur  gradually, why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine which contains  mercury?
Q: And that is what you found?
A:  Yes. You are dealing with correlations, most of the time.Correlations  are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents whose children have suffered  neurological damage during a one-year period after having a vaccine,  this should be sufficient to spark off an intense investigation.
Q: Has it been enough?
A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.
Q: Which is?
A:  The people doing the investigation are not really interested in looking  at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So, when they do  investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations of the vaccines.  They say, "This vaccine is safe." But what do they base those judgments  on? They base them on definitions and ideas which automatically rule out  a condemnation of the vaccine.
Q: There are numerous  cases where a vaccine campaign has failed. Where people have come down  with the disease against which they were vaccinated.
A:  Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply  ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all,  that this is just an isolated situation, but overall the vaccine has  been shown to be safe. But if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where  damage and disease have occurred, you realize that these are NOT  isolated situations.
Q: Did you ever discuss what we are  talking about here with colleagues, when you were still working in the  vaccine establishment?
A: Yes I did.
Q: What happened?
A:  Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I should  go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few occasions, I  encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They felt they could be  labeled with "guilt by association." All in all, though, I behaved  myself.I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.
Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?
A:  First of all, there is no "if." They do harm. It becomes a more  difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people who  seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of research  which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to  discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines  do in the body from the moment they enter. This research has not been  done. As to why they are given, we could sit here for two days and  discuss all the reasons. As you've said many times, at different layers  of the system people have their motives. Money, fear of losing a job,  the desire to win brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided  idealism, unthinking habit, and so on. But, at the highest levels of  the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a  weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but  it's true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help  people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one  point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a  high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was  well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these  depopulation interests. There is an underground, shall we say, in  Africa, made up of various officials who are earnestly trying to change  the lot of the poor. This network of people knows what is going on. They  know that vaccines have been used, and are being used, to destroy their  countries, to make them ripe for takeover by globalist powers. I have  had the opportunity to speak with several of these people from this  network.
Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?
A:  I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced,  but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows  that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which  destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he speaks out, in any  way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded a lunatic. He has  enough trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue.
Q: This network you speak of.
A:  It has accumulated a huge amount of information about vaccines. The  question is, how is a successful strategy going to be mounted? For these  people, that is a difficult issue.
Q: And in the industrialized nations?
A:  The medical cartel has a stranglehold, but it is diminishing. Mainly  because people have the freedom to question medicines. However, if the  choice issue [the right to take or reject any medicine] does not gather  steam, these coming mandates about vaccines against biowarefare germs  are going to win out. This is an important time.
Q: The furor over the hepatits B vaccine seems one good avenue.
A:  I think so, yes. To say that babies must have the vaccine-and then in  the next breath, admitting that a person gets hep B from sexual contacts  and shared needles -- is a ridiculous juxtaposition. Medical  authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000 or so children  in the US get hep B every year from "unknown causes," and that's why  every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that 20,00 figure and the  so-called studies that back it up.
Q: Andrew Wakefield,  the British MD who uncovered the link between the MMR vaccine and  autism, has just been fired from his job in a London hospital.
A:  Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His correlations between the  vaccine and autism are stunning. Perhaps you know that Tony Blair's wife  is involved with alternative health. There is the possibility that  their child has not been given the MMR. Blair recently side-stepped the  question in press interviews, and made it seem that he was simply  objecting to invasive questioning of his "personal and family life." In  any event, I believe his wife has been muzzled. I think, if given the  chance, she would at least say she is sympathetic to all the families  who have come forward and stated that their children were severely  damaged by the MMR.
Q: British reporters should try to get through to her.
A:  They have been trying. But I think she has made a deal with her husband  to keep quiet, no matter what. She could do a great deal of good if she  breaks her promise. I have been told she is under pressure, and not  just from her husband. At the level she occupies, MI6 and British health  authorities get into the act. It is thought of as a matter of national  security.
Q: Well, it is national security, once you understand the medical cartel.
A:  It is global security. The cartel operates in every nation. It  zealously guards the sanctity of vaccines. Questioning these vaccines is  on the same level as a Vatican bishop questioning the sanctity of the  sacrament of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.
Q: I know that a Hollywood celebrity stating publicly that he will not take a vaccine is committing career suicide.
A:  Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical cartel. There are  several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who is famous  can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says ANYTHING. In 1992, I was  present at your demonstration against the FDA in downtown Los Angeles.  One or two actors spoke against the FDA. Since that time, you would be  hard pressed to find an actor who has spoken out in any way against the  medical cartel.
Q: Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what is the basic frame of mind?
A:  People are competing for research monies. The last thing they think  about is challenging the status quo. They are already in an intramural  war for that money. They don't need more trouble. This is a very  insulated system. It depends on the idea that, by and large, modern  medicine is very successful on every frontier. To admit systemic  problems in any area is to cast doubt on the whole enterprise. You might  therefore think that NIH is the last place one should think about  holding demonstrations. But just the reverse is true. If five thousand  people showed up there demanding an accounting of the actual benefits of  that research system, demanding to know what real health benefits have  been conferred on the public from the billions of wasted dollars  funneled to that facility, something might start. A spark might go off.  You might get, with further demonstrations, all sorts of fall-out.  Researchers -- a few -- might start leaking information.
Q: A good idea.
A:  People in suits standing as close to the buildings as the police will  allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and babies.  Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people.
Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to babies these days?
A:  It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any depth  which have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made that  vaccines are safe, and therefore any number of vaccines given together  are safe as well. But the truth is, vaccines are not safe. Therefore the  potential damage increases when you give many of them in a short time  period.
Q: Then we have the fall flu season.
A:  Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float in to the US from  Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in April, it is a  bad cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu.
Q: Do you regret having worked all those years in the vaccine field?
A:  Yes. But after this interview, I'll regret it a little less. And I work  in other ways. I give out information to certain people, when I think  they will use it well.
Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?
A:  That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of  vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public  use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof  you need well-designed long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up.  You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say  about their babies and what happens to them after vaccination. You need  all these things. The things that are not there.
Q: The things that are not there.
A: Yes.
Q:  To avoid any confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the disease  problems that vaccines can cause. Which diseases, how that happens.
A:  We are basically talking about two potential harmful outcomes. One, the  person gets the disease from the vaccine. He gets the disease which the  vaccine is supposed to protect him from. Because, some version of the  disease is in the vaccine to begin with. Or two, he doesn't get THAT  disease, but at some later time, maybe right away, maybe not, he  develops another condition which is caused by the vaccine. That  condition could be autism, what's called autism, or it could be some  other disease like meningitis. He could become mentally disabled.
Q: Is there any way to compare the relative frequency of these different outcomes?
A:  No. Because the follow-up is poor. We can only guess. If you ask, out  of a population of a hundred thousand children who get a measles  vaccine, how many get the measles, and how many develop other problems  from the vaccine, there is a no reliable answer. That is what I'm  saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And with superstitions, you don't  get facts you can use. You only get stories, most of which are designed  to enforce the superstition. But, from many vaccine campaigns, we can  piece together a narrative that does reveal some very disturbing things.  People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be deep and it  can mean death. The harm is NOT limited to a few cases, as we have been  led to believe.In the US, there are groups of mothers who are testifying  about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and  standing up at meetings.They are essentially trying to fill in the gap  that has been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their  backs on the whole thing.
Q: Let me ask you this. If you  took a child in, say, Boston and you raised that child with good  nutritious food and he exercised every day and he was loved by his  parents, and he didn't get the measles vaccine, what would be his health  status compared with the average child in Boston who eats poorly and  watches five hours of TV a day and gets the measles vaccine?
A:  Of course there are many factors involved, but I would bet on the  better health status for the first child. If he gets measles, if he gets  it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter than the  measles the second child might get. I would bet on the first child every  time.
Q: How long did you work with vaccines?
A: A long time. Longer than ten years.
Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that vaccines are successful?
A:  No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is  vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would change  the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it  would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if  you know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every  state, based on religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to  shove, I would go on the move.
Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and appear to be healthy.
A:  The operative word is "appear." What about all the children who can't  focus on their studies? What about the children who have tantrums from  time to time? What about the children who are not quite in possession of  all their mental faculties? I know there are many causes for these  things, but vaccines are one cause. I would not take the chance. I see  no reason to take the chance. And frankly, I see no reason to allow the  government to have the last word. Government medicine is, from my  experience, often a contradiction in terms. You get one or the other,  but not both.
Q: So we come to the level playing field.
A:  Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the  dissidents to decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there is no  level playing field if the field is strewn with lies. And when babies  are involved, you have parents making all the decisions. Those parents  need a heavy dose of truth. What about the child I spoke of who died  from the DPT shot? What information did his parents act on? I can tell  you it was heavily weighted. It was not real information.
Q:  Medical PR people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out of  parents with dire scenarios about what will happen if their kids don't  get shots.
A: They make it seem a crime to refuse the  vaccine. They equate it with bad parenting. You fight that with better  information. It is always a challenge to buck the authorities. And only  you can decide whether to do it. It is every person's responsibility to  make up his mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is betting that  the fear will win.
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Dr.  Mark Randall is the pseudonym of a vaccine researcher who worked for  many years in the labs of major pharmaceutical houses and the US  government's National Institutes of Health.
Mark retired during the last decade. He says he was "disgusted with what he discovered about vaccines."
As  you know, since the beginning of nomorefakenews, I have been launching  an attack against non-scientific and dangerous assertions about the  safety and efficacy of vaccines.
Mark has been one of my sources.
He  is a little reluctant to speak out, even under the cover of anonymity,  but with the current push to make vaccines mandatory -- with penalties  like quarantine lurking in the wings -- he has decided to break his  silence.
He lives comfortably in retirement, but like many  of my long-time sources, he has developed a conscience about his former  work. Mark is well aware of the scope of the medical cartel and its  goals of depopulation, mind control, and general debilitation of  populations.
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